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Duration: 08:11 minutes Upload Time: 2007-11-09 22:31:50 User: ambassador1022 :::: Favorites :::: Top Videos of Day |
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Christian God Jesus Christ General Relativity Hawking Penrose Universe Infinite Eternal Singularities Singulairty Time
Description: This is a second part to my video dealing with why the universe cannot be eternal. This video should shed all doubts. http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0080-4630(19700127)314%3A1519%3C529%3ATSOGCA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-C |
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| ambassador1022 ::: Favorites 2008-01-18 22:31:07 "God created time (contradicts all evidence supporting GR)." Go ahead, explain that one to me. __________________________________________________ | |
| ambassador1022 ::: Favorites 2008-01-18 22:28:53 "You just seem to misunderstand the differences between an inifinite universe and a universe where nothing existed prior to it." I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but are you suggesting the universe started at the big bang without a cause? __________________________________________________ | |
| ambassador1022 ::: Favorites 2008-01-18 22:26:18 Based on your comment, it's quite apparent you are the one who lacks understanding in this area. If we are referring to a cause for the big bang, we are not using the universe's own space-time dimensions to talk about "before". The general consensus is that when we refer to the "cause" (be it natural or supernatural), this presupposes the cause itself has it's own time line which intersected with ours to birth the universe. __________________________________________________ | |
| TavishHill ::: Favorites 2008-01-18 22:25:01 If you say God did it, you are assuming two things, both are contradicted by math and experimentation...you say time is infinite (experiments show otherwise) and God created time (contradicts all evidence supporting GR). __________________________________________________ | |
| TavishHill ::: Favorites 2008-01-18 22:24:50 Furthermore, we have mathamatical and empiracle evidence suggesting time started at the Big Bang. So to just assume time didn't start with the Big Bang is silly. If god was the cause, then time couldn't have started at the Big Bang and still govern cause/effect prior to that point. __________________________________________________ | |
| TavishHill ::: Favorites 2008-01-18 22:24:15 That's because Hawking and Pensrose showed the cyclic model isn't possible. You just seem to misunderstand the differences between an inifinite universe and a universe where nothing existed prior to it. They are NOT the same thing. __________________________________________________ | |
| TavishHill ::: Favorites 2008-01-18 22:18:20 You don't seem to understand the current model of cosmology at all. Don't mean to sound like a prick, but honestly, you can't say there was a cause to the Big Bang because taht is asking what happened in time prior to the Big Bang. But relativity says time was born in the Big Bang, so it is a misnomer to ask what happened prior to that point. It is like asking what is south of the South Pole. The question itself jsut doesn't make sense. __________________________________________________ | |
| bitbutter ::: Favorites 2008-01-16 04:04:04 "It proves the universe must have an external transcendent cause which brought it into existence." Not in the slightest. You'll first need to demonstrate that a word like cause even has meaning in a timeless domain. __________________________________________________ | |
| ambassador1022 ::: Favorites 2008-01-15 21:12:12 My purpose for clearing this up is two fold. First, I am trying to explain why people who embrace an infinite universe model are wrong. Secondly, yes I do believe that this is a small stepping stone in the Christians line of reasoning. It proves the universe must have an external transcendent cause which brought it into existence. __________________________________________________ | |
| bitbutter ::: Favorites 2008-01-14 10:51:53 My guess is that you see the evidence pointing towards the universe (and spacetime) having a beginning as helping the case for theism somehow, am I right? if so can you say why you think that helps. __________________________________________________ | |
| ambassador1022 ::: Favorites 2008-01-12 23:10:45 Psycarne, what you failed to point out is that Hawking was simply posing this as a thought experiment. A "what if" scenario in which we could escape a beginning. He was not seriously suggesting we live in a universe with a second dimension of time (the imaginary dimension). __________________________________________________ | |
| ambassador1022 ::: Favorites 2008-01-12 23:10:44 No cyclic model is seriously supported right now in the scientific community Psycarne. The are 3 main reasons for this. First, the universe lacks sufficent mass to force gravitational collapse. Secondly, the expansion rate of the universe is currently speeding up due to the cosmological constant. Lastly, even IF the universe were to collapse the mechanical efficiency is so low that it would not rebound (see "The Impossibility of a Bouncing Universe" in the astrophysical journal). __________________________________________________ | |
| Psycarne ::: Favorites 2008-01-12 23:01:11 The idea that energy just 'appeared' has not been reconciled with the first law of thermodynamics. There are also cyclic cosmological models, but of course they have not been reconciled with the second law. However the cyclic models seem more elegant than invoking an unobservable magic being, which is not even a coherent or well defined concept. __________________________________________________ | |
| Psycarne ::: Favorites 2008-01-12 22:57:44 Hawking reconciles the problem of 0 time in singularities with what he calls 'imaginary time', it is discussed in an article cited in 'Black Holes and Baby Universes', where he states that the 'universe may not have a beginning or an end'. __________________________________________________ | |
| Unclesamslair ::: Favorites 2008-01-11 16:51:58 "If you wanna argue this is who you're arguing with. You're arguing with Stephen Hawking ok?" lol, funniest part. __________________________________________________ | |
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